Ep19 Dr. Dawn Ella—How a Near-Death Experience, a 3-Day Coma, and Retrograde Amnesia Became a Blueprint for Multi-Dimensional Healing

Dr. Dawn Ella  0:00  
Every question I had was answered. So then the foundation of who I am has such a divinity to it. So my understanding is very present moment, very aligned with higher mind, higher consciousness, and that's helped me in everything I've created being a soul mentor and a soul physician and helping people personally

Dr. Sandra Dreisbach  0:21  
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Dr. Sandra Dreisbach  1:29  
On this episode of inner source podcast, I have the privilege of talking with Dr Dawn, Ella. She's a visionary entrepreneur and inventor of science driven healing technologies, who blend sound neuroscience and sensory therapeutics to elevate wellness and reimagine mental health, literally from the inside out, with advanced credentials in complementary, integrative and alternative medicine. She is a sole physician, Doctor of Divinity, Doctor of metaphysics, and ordained minister, guiding others through a comprehensive evidence informed model of multi dimensional well being and her own inner journey with the birth of her son and deep inquiry into subconscious programming and early childhood brain development back in 2006 however, a near death experience in NDE during A three day coma revealed her design assignment to heal. So who better to give us some greater inner source guidance, because that that experience gave rise to her bridging technique. The bridging technique, which is a clinically informed, scientifically structured methodology that awakens, aligns and reconnects the four body system, mental, physical, emotional, spiritual. So I hope you enjoy hearing from Dr Don, my friend, as well as learning more about how she healed and transformed from within and turned that healing into therapy and guidance. You Thanks, John, I really appreciate that you took the time out of your busy schedule to talk with us today about about you your work and your experience and and whatever insights you have about you know how we help support ourselves in transformational work and in healing. I know I know I gave an introduction, but is there anything you want to share with people to kind of get to know you, like, who is?

Dr. Dawn Ella  3:26  
Dr, Don that's actually a very multi dimensional question.

Dr. Sandra Dreisbach  3:30  
Ah, no, here we go. We already started.

Dr. Dawn Ella  3:34  
It's hard not to I would say, at my core, I'm a visionary. If I had to keep it simple, we can stay with that.

Dr. Sandra Dreisbach  3:41  
It's kind of funny. You mentioned multi dimensional like, it's something we don't often foreground as as being an aspect, right? Because we're not, you know, even even now in this moment, you know, we're very much in a very present tense experience. But other people will be experiencing this at a different time, which even just in terms of a regular sense of of time and space, we're reaching out across that time dimension. So with that said, What would you say? How would you describe your How do you generally describe people like you know, people who aren't familiar with you know your app or your work, or what you study? Maybe we could talk a little bit more about what you study.

Dr. Dawn Ella  4:21  
Well again, my story is a little bit different than most people, so I don't know what most people say, but I actually feel like I'm 19 years old because I had a near death experience 19 years ago, and I had retrograde amnesia, so I don't remember most of my life, although, because of the work I'm doing now, some of that's coming back, but because of that, I'm very much in the present tense, and having retrograde amnesia and being able to study all the things that I have and connect to the other side has really changed my perspective of reality. So I don't know what most people say. But I think

Dr. Sandra Dreisbach  5:00  
if it's something that most people say, it shouldn't be said. But I really appreciate you know you and your story in part because of the fact it is different from how people expect a journey to go, right? People don't expect to lose their sense of self in such a radical way. So maybe you could talk a little bit about your your near death experience, and what you remember from that moment, I suppose.

Dr. Dawn Ella  5:29  
Well, I remember, it's interesting because my eyes were open. It was a tragic accident, and I remember going to the other side, so I went down a tunnel very fast, and it's as if I popped out, like I came out really quickly, and it felt like I was very high up in the sky. I had my eyes open, like I said, but I did not see my body, and the communication that was happening was telepathic. So I was told, it's not your time yet. You need to go back. And I had a conversation like, Okay, what do you want me to do? And it was at that time that I was given this bridging technique where you bridge two things together for transmutation. And I was told that there are certain people that I need to heal, that only I'm going to heal, so I need to go back and utilize that to help healing. And I was in my 30s at the time, and I kind of thought is that it because I was like, I already knew about energy medicine, I kind of knew about that technique. It was great that I got this Divine Providence to utilize it to better humanity. But I wanted more. And I was told, Well, you need to start there. Yes, you're gonna do many things, and you're gonna do much more than this, but you need to start there. And I was like, okay, it was very divine. It was very beautiful, very blissful. Didn't have a care in the world. And then really fast, right back down into my body in the hospital. Came out of the coma. I was in a coma for three days, and once I came out of the coma, I tried to stand up, and I fell to the floor, and doctors rushed in, knocked me out. The next thing I remember, I was being wheeled out of the hospital with, you know, in a wheelchair, and I'm thinking to myself, because the experience I just had felt like it was two seconds ago. So I'm thinking, how am I supposed to help you people? I can't even stand up because my head had cracked open and it nicked the nerve in my right eye. So because of that, the eyeball was in the corner, and I had no equilibrium. It felt like you're on the side of the wall, so just standing was very difficult. And the doctors told me you're going to be bedridden for a year, and we'll have to see thereafter it what will happen for you, and if you'll be able to drive again, walk again, whatever you'll be able to do. So I was bedridden for a year, and it was thereafter that I was actually considered permanently disabled, and I thought to myself, I'm not going to stay here. I'm going to be able to create something using this technique that I was told to do, and be able to bring healing to myself and others. And again, that was 19 years ago, so it's taken some time, but here I am definitely on the other side of all of that.

Dr. Sandra Dreisbach  8:26  
That's a powerful it's a beautiful, powerful story, I mean. And just for my audience here, like some people will seek out, you know, altered states through a substance, sometimes through breath work, sometimes through meditation, but in your case, it was a physical incident that happened to what was, what was the injury, or what? How did that even come about?

Dr. Dawn Ella  8:46  
So it goes into a little bit deeper from there, I was actually drugged with a date rape drug. I got away from the person because they actually tried to kidnap me. So I was able to, interestingly enough, use my intuition, because I started feeling sick, I went to the bathroom, and I was walking out of the bathroom, that's when a guy grabbed me and said, Honey, you've had too much to drink. Let me take you home. And it had a hold of me, and I knew I did not come with this person, that something bad is about to happen. And they actually lifted my feet off the ground again, intuitively, and was able to break free and then run to my car. Unfortunately, the drugs that they gave me were way too strong and knocked me out behind the wheel when I was trying to drive home. However, the paramedics told me, If I would have made it home, I could have died. If the person had got me, I could have died. The accident actually saved my life, because they were able to reverse the drugs and med flight me and get me the care that I needed.

Dr. Sandra Dreisbach  9:50  
Were you told what the substances were, or substance was, or were they not able to?

Dr. Dawn Ella  9:55  
There was three of them, but I don't recall just off. No.

Dr. Sandra Dreisbach  10:00  
But, I mean, I appreciate you being being vulnerable to share this part of the story, because I think often we think of of chosen altered state experiences, and we're not talking about, you know, non consensual experiences that that lead to traumatic events and traumatic experiences. But I also love that you're still here to have that vision for your life and to have that clarity. So what have you been doing since that 19 years? So you've obviously been using the healing. Could you explain to people what is this sort of healing bridge, sort of technique that you learned or and how have you now expanded this out.

Dr. Dawn Ella  10:44  
You know, really, my recovery took time, and it was when I was really studying. I studied and got two doctorates, Doctorate of divinity and metaphysics, so I could understand, how does this world work? How am I supposed to heal this. And really it got to a very simple aspect, because truth is simple, and it's about vibration. So we were able to utilize raising the vibration. But I wanted to do it on a higher level. I wanted it to be long lasting and not something that just was for that moment. Obviously, I was considered disabled, so I needed to do a lot more, and I got into the aspects of the brain, and we now blend neuroscience with bio, energetically informed design in order to create a multi sensory therapeutic tool to bring the transmutation. So the bridging technique is something that is incorporated into that. So our technology is with restorative music, immersive video and transformative frequencies. Each of those have a multi dimensional aspect, like our musical piece has sound intonation sequence, binaural beats, brain wave entrainment, transcendental mantra music through sound, other aspects that create our formula, and those are all bridged together, but also you're bridging music with video and frequencies. So when you utilize the wellness and mental health app that we created, what you're doing is you're creating your own experience. You choose a music, you choose a video and you choose a frequency, but each of them individually have that bridging technique into it, and it really helps work on a cellular level, to bring transmutation. And is what helped me.

Dr. Sandra Dreisbach  12:49  
I really love that. It sounds, I mean, like I have gotten the app, and we're not trying to necessarily advertise per se or indoors, but I will say that it really is incredibly powerful. And to bridge this combination of of science and and frequency, because a lot of people are skeptical when it comes to when you start talking about energy and when you start talking about frequency. But, but what? What do you tell the skeptics you encounter who like, oh, this just sounds like a bunch of woo nonsense that's just been, you know, got enough science to justify it. I mean, obviously you have a PhD a couple, right?

Dr. Dawn Ella  13:27  
Well into each his own, you know. And again, sometimes, you know, wherever someone is is where they're at. I don't think there's anything wrong with wherever they are. This is what helped me, and it's something that I share because it, you know, it helps. But energy is energy. It's something that we all can understand. And raising your vibration is something that I needed to do, obviously, if you're my physical body and neurologically, because of my head injury, and with that, I figured out pieces and tools to utilize, and I wanted it to be through something artistic, because before the accident, I was an artist. And so that doesn't necessarily change your essence of who you really are will always come forth in what you so even though I created a therapeutic technology, I still did it artistically. So all of the music is done by me. All of the videos are done by me. Obviously, I created them in design wise, but I didn't film them myself. But being a Music and Video Producer, has been very exciting to actually put the science into the creative aspect and allow art to be a form of healing. So if they're not into energy, maybe they're into art, you know, maybe there is something in what I've done that they can relate to, and if not, I'm. Sure there's something else that they can tune into, because there's lots of things out in this world. It's beautiful, but to any skeptic, it's, you know, one thing I really discovered from what took place with me is we're each individuals, and we know our own vibration. We know our own truth. And so I don't believe that wherever anyone is that there's anything wrong with it, it's just where they are. And if what I'm doing doesn't vibe with them, that's okay.

Dr. Sandra Dreisbach  15:29  
Literally doesn't vibe with them. Yeah,

Dr. Dawn Ella  15:32  
yeah, literally, so no, but I think

Dr. Sandra Dreisbach  15:34  
that's really wise, and it feels really true and resonant for me at least, and especially when I talk about ethics work and and doing work with altered states, or even consciously working with altered states and and choosing what you want to align with, and I love that your work allows people the freedom to help literally tailor their own experience through music, through sound, right through through vibration, through through imagery and and it has this sort of, I get, I'm like, synergy, right? That that you can't get with any one of those things alone, that I think is just really powerful, let alone the fact your own personal story and and your own vision for this work, right? It's this isn't just you know, some sort of science experiment, and it's also not just you know, something that you see as healing. It really is personal and and powerful in terms of what you personally can bring for other people to be able to be empowered through their their conscious healing journeys. So that's that's really beautiful, yeah.

Dr. Dawn Ella  16:48  
Well, I'm here to share it with people like you and with others, so that I can get the message out there and we have it through our nonprofit. So everything we're doing is actually for the betterment of humanity and whatever way we can share it with the world. We're here to do that, and I'm just a living testament of the work. Tell us a little bit about your

Dr. Sandra Dreisbach  17:09  
nonprofit then. So, so what is the vision of your nonprofit? How can, how can people learn more about you and your work and what your nonprofit is trying to do?

Dr. Dawn Ella  17:20  
Yeah, yeah. So the nonprofit is called supernal world creations. And again, supernal world is something I see like the other side, you know, because I went to the other side. And supernal world creations is for humanitarian innovations. So it's an innovative aspect, if you are, you know, here to help humanity in any way. And we have our, you know, invention of soul, link our app through there, and we are here to, you know, help spread something that can better humanity through our nonprofit. What have you seen in terms of your vision becoming reality and seeing people being affected by your work? Yeah. Well, if we're thinking of that, I would definitely say, especially close to home, there was someone that was in a coma that actually came out of a coma based on listening to the music. So it was within this family, and it was an elderly woman, and she had dementia, and she was in another country, I believe, Venezuela, and doctors had changed her medication, and when they changed her medication, she went into a coma. So she was in the hospital, and it had been, I believe, seven days, that she was still in a comatose state. They felt so restless. What do we do? What can what can we help her with? Again, this is the family you're trying to help her. And one of the sisters actually lives in the United States and uses soul link and said, Why don't you try this app, like it's supposed to be really, you know, helpful in the neurological aspect, so maybe it can do something for her. So they brought the computer to and a speaker to the hospital, and actually put it by her bedside. They played one of the combinations that I say, is the most powerful one, and security shield, and they played that next to her bedside. It was a 22 minute combination. So they played the music for 22 minutes, and then 10 minutes after she awoke from the coma, and they've been so excited that something could actually help them, and they've been using it since, and, you know, using it to help her, you know, just the audio, not necessarily the video pieces. So that's where it's all segmented. You can choose whatever you'd like. You can mix audio and video and frequency, or just audio and frequency. The combinations are really up to you, and there's about 150,000 combinations.

Dr. Sandra Dreisbach  19:59  
I love this test. Ammonial, because, given that you yourself were in a coma, the fact that it ended up helping someone else in a coma, that must have been really heartfelt for you. Oh, tremendously, I would say that's the most surprising thing that I just brought me so much joy,

Dr. Dawn Ella  20:15  
you know, especially the family too, and how much dedication they have to be able to continue to use it for themselves, too, and they just had a baby, so now the baby is listening to it, and again, it's just, it's something very beautiful. It's artistic. So it's something that you know, even children can listen to. So I love to see that it's being shared and that it's actually helping people.

Dr. Sandra Dreisbach  20:37  
That's amazing. And now that the family definitely is sold, they don't have to be convinced. Yeah, but, but I'm curious. So you've mentioned like, so, like young babies and adults. How do you gage? I mean, I care about ethics and safety a lot. So how did you do work around safety and or any sort of research prior to it being released, like, use under advisement, or, like, you know, or what can you say about I mean, I mean, obviously, I know part of it is being guided and energetically, and these are tools you already had. But, you know, as a scientist as well, like, what, what did you do in terms of that part of the work?

Dr. Dawn Ella  21:15  
Well, you know, really, when I was researching everything, because after I came out of the coma, and I had my connection to the other side, which continued tremendously thereafter. You know, once you leave this world and come back, you have a direct connect. Some people use it. Some people don't. I definitely did. And you know, it was through that guidance that I was able to create everything I did. But when I was studying and looking at the world. And looking at other people, I just could see how far everyone was away from where they really needed to be. When you go to the other side and you go and you have an experience that is so blissful, and you see people just so upset with everyday life. And, you know, I just said, What can we do? How can we reach people? And it was something that was non invasive. You know, as we're looking at creation itself, and sound comes before form, and, you know, it's using the aspect of sound to be a bridge between this world and the upper world. And it's just something that is non invasive. Again, it's just very beautiful music. However, it's highly formulated, and every piece that's in there is strategically implemented at certain times to actually bring the results that you get. And the same things with the visuals. You know, we use quantum theory and sacred geometry, epigenetics, the Fibonacci sequence. Some of the videos, you'll see, they're all flying, so you're all flying through the air, so you're elevated a little bit. They're always going in forward motion or continuous. Sometimes there's like 10% sky and 90% land. Again, that's so the Fibonacci sequence can overlay with the golden ratio and the design of it, everything is artistically formulated. So I would say it's just very beautiful art, video and music, and that's why it's not invasive. So you're saying that the risk is really low. I would say the risk is very, very low. I wouldn't drive when you're doing it obviously, because, you know, it's definitely helping, you know, you be in a different state of mind. So, because

Dr. Sandra Dreisbach  23:24  
it sounds like it does get you into an altered state, right, while you're actually listening to it. So just like you wouldn't, you know, operate a vehicle in an altered state. Is there some sort of halo effect around it where, like, you know, coming out of the experience post, like, like, sometimes like, you'll like, if you're doing a meditation, right, you'll still have, you know, like, we don't have to go into what, you know, beta or delta, Brainscape you're in. Don't have to go sciency that far. But we can't talk about like, but, but there is an effect of like, meta, deep meditators over a long time, there's been research that shows, right, that they're able to maintain that state for longer periods of time? Are you finding that same sort of effect with people who are working with your your tools?

Dr. Dawn Ella  24:12  
Yes, and I would say it's different for every person. Some people that are too much in the mind all the time, it'll help kind of knock them out and calm down and relax, and they might not remember everything. They'll wake up right at the end of the meditation and be able to feel so energized. So it really works with the individual, wherever they're at, and with my experience, again, it's it just gives me a lot of energy, and I feel invigorated, and I listen to many different 22 minute compilations. So I go continuously for an hour or so, and I really can listen to it and organize everything that I've got going on in my life. It's almost as if it's all compartmentalized above me, and I can actually. Sort it out and really know what I'm working on next, and it just helps align everything for me personally. But again, retrograde amnesia, I'm definitely different than most people, and maybe a lot of people don't experience it like me, but maybe they do.

Dr. Sandra Dreisbach  25:17  
Maybe we should lean a little bit into the retrograde amnesia, a little bit because, like, how would you explain what retrograde amnesia is to someone who's never heard of it before?

Dr. Dawn Ella  25:26  
Well, it's being born when you're older, so it's a new birth. And I remember looking at my wardrobe, looking at my music, and thinking, why am I listening to any of this? And why do I wear these clothes? You know, you really become a different aspect of self. Pretty much everything you were before gets wiped out. Certain things like being an artist stayed. That's part of my soul print, obviously. And you know, again, it's just you. You become a different person. And so I really again, it was very tragic what I went through. I wouldn't wish it upon everybody, but I really am grateful for it, because anything that could have been clouding my mind or my consciousness and my thoughts, I got just like, wiped clean, and then I'm tuned into the upper worlds and the higher level of consciousness literally helping me understand what just happened. What am I supposed to do? Why is this happening? How does this work? Every question I had was answered. So then the foundation of who I am has such a divinity to it. So my understanding is very present moment and very, very aligned with higher mind, higher consciousness, and that's helped me in everything I've created, not just the healing therapeutic technology, but also being a soul mentor and a soul physician and helping people personally. Writing my books, you know, everything that I've done, I put that into and that that comes from that experience. So it's, it's a whole new birth, and I couldn't be more grateful for what I went through, although it's been very difficult. So I wouldn't wish it upon anybody.

Dr. Sandra Dreisbach  27:18  
Yeah, no, I definitely have compassion for that. I've certainly have met people who have experienced different types of amnesia and worked with them before, some of whom couldn't form new memories, new long term memories, and only had the long term memory before an incident. And ones that you know had a mix right where they would have, you know, able to create some created the new memories, but had episodic, sort of memory looking back, but, but you're the first person whom I've met that has this sort of retrograde image where you don't, you don't really remember anything before the incident.

Dr. Dawn Ella  27:55  
Yeah, it's a handful of things. There are certain things I remember, but it's almost like you take a puzzle and there's maybe five or six pieces, and you throw the whole puzzle on a table, and 95% of the pieces fall, and only the couple pieces left are what you remember again, it's random stuff, like I might remember my teacher in third grade birthday, but I can't remember my father's Right, right? So it doesn't make a lot of sense. It's very random. Yeah, it really forces present moment awareness and full consciousness, and which, again, has been very beautiful to experience. When we

Dr. Sandra Dreisbach  28:32  
ordinarily talk about altered states, an ordinary language, we're not really thinking about people having an altered way of being in the world. What your story really brings out for me is the fact that a lot of us really do deeply have, you know, multi dimensional selves, that we may not be living in the sort of same sort of reality or type of being experience as someone else's. And I think we have a big presumption that that we're engaging in the world and reality and our experience in the exact same way, you know, even when you know that people could be taking a substance or or could be under anesthesia, or I had a concussion at the age of 15, and I remember in when they were, you know, giving inquiry questions, and you must have gone through this coming out of the coma. I don't know what you would remember, necessarily, but it was like, I remember, I remember being asked, you know, oh, what day of the week is it? And I'm like, why? You know, you know, I felt like I should know, but I couldn't access it. And then, then it was like, Well, what, what month is it? And I'm like, oh, goodness, then maybe, sorry, you get a little bit more disturbed.

Dr. Dawn Ella  29:42  
Who is the president? I remember some of those. That's when I got considered disabled, because I thought, I guess maybe I didn't pass them.

Dr. Sandra Dreisbach  29:49  
Because, yeah, I remember them asking me what year, and that was what really got me, was that I knew I should know what year it was. And I said, Well, sometime in the 20th century, Anna. Yeah, I appreciate obviously, you're able to form new memories now, but But it definitely the experience has forever altered your state of being right, and forever altered your state of memory. You hear also, sometimes stories of people who've received shock therapy, like the Zen and Art of Motorcycle Maintenance by Robert Percy, famously talks about his experience of having received that and how he had to rebuild his identity. How now, when you think about your vision for the future of your life, what excites you the most?

Dr. Dawn Ella  30:32  
Well, you know, what excites me the most is anything artistic, you know, again, I'm an artist at heart being able to be in music and film production. I'm actually doing stuff with film and a docufilm. And anything with film actually really excites me, which, again, is something that you don't know until you start working with it, and then I see this inner child aspect of myself get super happy, and the vibration completely changes. And it just excites me, not just for me behind the screen, I would say more so for my vision of how to create these little worlds that I want to contribute to other film productions. So I would say that's been what lights me up for my vision of the future, and then opportunities show up and and here I am. So I'm excited for that piece.

Dr. Sandra Dreisbach  31:27  
I love it. And what, what advice would you give people who who are, like, looking to connect, you know, like, they're like, Well, you sure you got the coma and you got to have the gift of the divine connection. And, like, you know? And obviously they can like, maybe connect to like energy work or frequency work. But what would you recommend for people like as a resource for them or ways to connecting to source, however they see it?

Dr. Dawn Ella  31:51  
Well, one thing they can always understand is that we have an inside self and an outside self. So when you look at yourself, are you looking internally and understanding who you are internally, or is it based on external because external understanding can be very deceiving, because there's a lot of ups and downs, and we need to be whole and complete internally first and understand who we are from the inside. I would say everything is an inside job. So that's something that I would recommend looking into so that you can understand who you are on the inside and knowing yourself and loving aspect of the self.

Dr. Sandra Dreisbach  32:34  
Yeah, yeah. I love that answer, and I love referring to the inner and the outside self that way I'm like in in the psychedelic community and space, a lot of times we talk about shadow work, or looking at archetypes, or even like, in a Jungian sense, right? And what, what, what it means to do integration work. And so there's a real, felt sense that you need to do your work right, like to look within, to gain insights. But there's lots of different ideas about what, what that work looks like, and, and how to gain those in sites. But the external piece you're mentioning, you know, maybe we need to talk about multi dimensionality a little bit more, because that that itself kind of points to a multi dimensionality, the sense of of, sort of like our self from viewed from the outside right, or from the mask right, as as even the body mask. You know that we present outward facing, right? I'm not not saying that. I'm we're not being false. I know we're pretty authentic people, but it can be challenging to try and describe to people the shift you get in perspective, both from healing more internally, like how you know you've more arrived as it were, right? There's like, Okay, do the work. Do the work. Look Within. Know thyself. Don't, don't weigh on my external self. What kind of validation do you get personally now you know in terms of knowing when you're on the right track?

Dr. Dawn Ella  34:01  
Well, the one thing that was explained to me was about your soul. So everybody's got this soul. So just imagine a ball of light, and we all have these fragmented pieces that are blocking our soul. So imagine your soul is internal, and if, when your light shines, sometimes what shows up externally from us is positive, which means it doesn't have a blockage or a fragment blocking it. But sometimes it's disruptive, and that disruptive that you see externally is only a reflection of that fragment. So the transmutation comes in for when you see that reflection, that's an indication of what needs to be shifted on the inside. That's what's blocking your soul. Those are your opportunities. Those are your lessons. Those are your blockages. And so I would say, how do you know? That you have arrived more, I would say more of the light reflects disruptions of energy serve to bring clarity. We all have them. Nobody is without them. We're all doing that kind of work. But most people might fall into victim mentality, a little too much, and because of that, that you are handing over your power to someone or something else, when, truly, everything is just a reflection from you. And that's why everything is an inside job, because it's all internal. And again, this is what I was explained because I was told I was whole and complete, and I'm like, I can't even walk, like this is not whole and complete. And that's when it was explained to me, what you're experiencing is that fragment, that shadow, but truly internally, you are whole and complete. So we want to find that part of ourselves and in tune with that part of ourselves, and work on the shadow aspect, or the disruptions that are external from us as mirrors of what we need to transmute in order to change the vibration of that disruption from darkness to light. Sounds very simple. I know it's not easy, but that's again, why I created the app so link, so that you could actually help transmute those fragmentations, because that's what helped me.

Dr. Sandra Dreisbach  36:18  
That's really beautiful. And I love the the image of of having, like a, you know, the ball of energy, Soul of light, that that may have some fissures or cracks that are are not about your imperfection. It's actually about the fact of something that you're working with in this lifetime, and and through understanding and literally shifting the frequency of it, or changing the energy of it, or even realigning with that higher light. I've studied a lot of energy work, and I work with energy, and obviously this is energy work, what we're doing now, I feel like your energy has, must have shifted, and I know you probably would say that but, but I also mean in the sense that even though we're all still working on things, that's why we're still here. Is the idea that you carry a frequency too, and that by holding a particular frequency within ourselves, or connecting to that within ourselves, not only helps ourselves to shine more brightly, but helps, you know, to be like, sort of the lighthouse that that helps to create that with others.

Dr. Dawn Ella  37:29  
Yeah, and I would say it's in giving that we receive. Because truly, you know, I was given this gift to bridge and to help myself, but to help others. So that was a mission. And once you have that kind of true north navigation, you don't move from it. And so as much as I have awakened myself, my mission really was helping others, and that's when you learn so much about your own self and learn so much about other people, and it's really in that service of helping others discover themselves, helped me discover myself and how I fit into the puzzle and how I really can learn more about the world based on those that I was helping. You know, a lot of people I was helping were philanthropists, and, you know, did service with nonprofits, and that led me to want to give back to the world and opening a nonprofit. So it's in giving that we receive. So if we really want to discover who we are, it's not just in tuning with that inner self, but it's how do you then overflow and share that with others? And I do say overflow, because we can't give when we're lacking, so we need to be overflowing and then give in service to others, and it brings the best fulfillment, because you really feel like you're gaining within yourself, but you're also sharing what you're gaining, and then you Feel like you're making a contribution to society and to the world with that which you're doing, not just for yourself, but for others.

Dr. Sandra Dreisbach  39:07  
Well, I certainly would say that you're making a huge contribution. And just even being in your presence and being in this energetic exchange with you, I just you know, and also having met you in person as well, and been been supported by you energetically in community, I I just, you know, want to mirror that back to you, that thank you for for giving abundantly and and for finding ways to to not just connect with people, but to abundantly give back.

Dr. Dawn Ella  39:39  
Yeah, thank you again. It brings fulfillment, and when you have fulfillment, that raises your vibration. So you know, it's, it's part of the process. But thank you. I appreciate that.

Dr. Sandra Dreisbach  39:51  
Well, I'm beginning to feel complete, but I want to invite you like, what's a question you wish you were being asked?

Dr. Dawn Ella  39:57  
I don't know if I have the question. Let's. I have the answer. The one thing I've noticed recently is that we're all thinking a little too small. I take a very broad perspective of the world, a bigger picture, and look at the patterns that keep continuing over and over again. And we find our little resource, we find our little Avenue, and we, you know, share with the world in that little space. And I want to invite people to take a step back and take a moment, to take a broad perspective and try to tune into a bigger picture. And say, How can I be supportive and change in this world? Because all of the little, small stuff, and there's such big, big steps happening in this world, we need to think a little bit bigger than we normally do, would be my suggestion.

Dr. Sandra Dreisbach  40:48  
Well, thank you for helping me to think a little bit bigger today and in our conversation today. Doll, yeah, I hope, I hope that's what I've done. And maybe I should give a little reflection on that. Like, if anything, like, you know, you know, you don't people. A lot of times, like we'll talk about limiting beliefs, but a lot of times we see that in a negative light, not in the sort of golden shadow light, not in the the idea that you have so much more possible for you than you can ever imagine, and whatever, whatever you dream. I remember had Marina cherry, who was one of my energy healer teachers. She said, she always said, like, you know, take, take whatever that big dream is, and make it bigger. So just go ahead right now, 10 times bigger. Expand it out. You know, expand your energy out. Expand the possibilities out. And I think that's that's really not just good advice, but inspiring advice. So thank you. Don appreciate you being here on the show, and I look forward to continuing our friendship

Dr. Dawn Ella  41:48  
outside of it. Yes, me too. Thanks for having me.

Dr. Sandra Dreisbach  41:52  
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